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* To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic murmur
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  genius123 - 05/28/08 09:44
 
  Lets first take AS:

*Valsalva: this manuver actually has four phases,but the effects of murmurs are mostly described during phase 2.(I can also post the four phases later,so that u shouldnt get confused rt now)

Reduced filling and preload leads to a fall in cardiac output by the Frank Starling mechanism.
So murmur will decrease as thier is less blood available to eject during systole(decrease in CO)

*Phenylephrine and hand grip: causes an increase in systemic vascular resistance and arterial pressure ,causing a lower cardiac output.
So again murmur will decrease.(increase TPR can actually accentuate the murmur but resultant decrease in CO is more pronounced).


*Squatting:Squatting from a standing position is associated with an increase in venous return and systemic vascular resistance and a rise in arterial pressure.
So intensity of the murmur of aortic stenosis shows variable changes, depending upon the type of hemodynamic response,if increase in systemic vascular resistance is more then murmur will decrease (again due to dec CO),
but if left ventricular volume increases more then murmur will increase.

*Amylnitrate: initially produces marked vasodilation and reduction in arterial pressure. This is followed by a reflex increase in heart rate and then by increased venous return, stroke volume, and cardiac output.
So murmur will increase due to increase CO.

*Leg raising:increases venous return,inc CO and So increase in murmur.

So AS murmur increases with manuvers increasing CO and decreases with manuvers decreasing CO.

 
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  gl2u - 05/29/08 19:59
 
  genius 123,
thank you very much for posting such wonderful explanation!!
I still have some questions,
What is inc ? what is VR ?
about the AS, why "increase TPR can actually accentuate the murmur "?
thanks!!
 
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  genius123 - 05/29/08 21:50
 
  gl2u,inc=increase
VR=venous return
about AS=inc TPR can inc work of heart and lt vent tries to pump blood to overcome the resistance thus increasing murmur but dec in CO related with inc TPR does not let that happen.
 
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  gl2u - 05/30/08 00:59
 
  Thank you, genius123!!!
 
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  junaid_08 - 07/29/08 17:35
 
  thanks ,actually i got this in my mail from a forum friend and thought to pull it out as these are good concepts might help somone.somehow it was always a confusing topic for me.  
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  rahulsinha - 07/29/08 19:51
 
  thx! Genius! :) I came on forum after long time and remebered you from my step 1 :) thanks for all your effort! I have started my CK prepartion! good luck for your next 99 :) success!!  
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* Re:To genius 123,AS murmurs
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  princess08 - 07/29/08 22:55
 
  Hi genius 123,could you please help me clarify this-in squatting -the intensity of murmur of AS shows variable changes,how would you know in the viginette if there is increase in SVR or increase in left ventricular volume ,so as to pick the correct answer? thanks  
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  genius123 - 07/30/08 00:27
 
  I actually forgot when did i post that,anyway thnx to pull it up as i myself need to revise:):)

princess08,for exam purposes squatting is mainly taken as some manuver which wil inc the SVR,thus by decreasing CO and decreasing the AS murmur (or unchanged).

thnx for wishing me rahulsinha,gl to u first with prep and then with exams and scores:)
 
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  princess08 - 07/30/08 02:26
 
  thanks genius123  
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  cd008 - 07/30/08 02:58
 
  guys just remember ......
more blood in heart------------->increase in the intensity of murmur
like wise
less blood in the heart----------->decrease in the intensity of murmur

so the manouvers that cause increase in blood in heart will inc the intensity and manouvers that cause dec in blood in heart ll dec the intensity...

but in the case if IHSS(idiopathic hypertrophic subaortic stenosis) and MVP(mitral valve proplapse) things ll work in opposite directions

i hope this helps

regards

 
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* Re:To nilkanth,effects of manuvers on systolic mur
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  newspeak - 01/20/09 10:22
 
  Thank you so much for this neat explanation ... god bless you  
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